[olug] [ot] not sure on the details

Kevin sharpestmarble at gmail.com
Thu Dec 2 19:09:10 UTC 2010

Normal wear and tear is part of what I'm paying Avis for. If I'm testing how
fast I can do 0-60 or something similar, then I could see them coming after
me, but they own the car and I just get the normal use of it.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:13, Jason N <dashrender at cox.net> wrote:

> Actually with Auto rental, I'm pretty sure if you don't buy the insurance
> coverage from the rental company, you are responsible for any damage beyond
> normal wear and tear.  For example, if you get a door ding, they might not
> hit you up for it, but if the motor blows, you will certainly be held
> responsible, and in most cases your insurance would cover it after you cover
> your deductable.
> A quick call to avis will confirm this.
> ---- Dan Linder <dan at linder.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:21, Jason Zeisler <superztnt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree. I think if I own it I can do what I want. If they want to
> maintain
> > ownership and rent/lease them. Does anyone know what their legal standing
> > is
> > on this? If I remember right they tried the same thing with the original
> > Xbox and were going after people putting in mod chips back then too, and
> > these guys weren't performing a service. They were modding their own
> > systems.
> >
> If they want to retain all post-sale rights to the hardware (i.e. a
> rental),
> then why do I have to pay when my XBox gets the red-ring-of-death?
> Change the item in question to a car; either a rental from
> Avis/National/Dollar/etc, or purchased from Ford/Honda/Toyota/Chrysler.
>  * If the engine explodes while I'm driving the rental (not hot-rodding,
> etc), they have to repair it, not me.
>  * If it's a purchased car, then the warranty period kicks in and I or they
> pay depending on the time-frame.
>  * If I've done serious and non-reversible modifications, then I'm totally
> on the hook for the cost.
> So, once past the 90-day Microsoft warranty, I pay for the RRoD repair,
> correct?  (I'm not an XBox owner.)  I know if my computer CPU burns up on
> day 91 of the 90-day warranty, I have to buy another $300 CPU since I "own"
> the computer.  Why don't I "own" the XBox?
> Am I missing something?
> Dan
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