[olug] Cost effective enterprise backup

Tue Jan 29 14:55:32 UTC 2013

Symantec Netbackup here v7.1.0.4 with Data Domain (VTL) but does support OST which we are hoping to migrate to. We also write to physical IBM series 3500 & 3310's. I have heard ugly stories about Avamar interface. Finding details requires alota clicks I guess? Heard good stuff about CommVault but haven't used it. You can do just about anything you want with Symantec Netbackup but I believe it's the most expensive but works with *ix and Windoze and all the major DB's. No VM plugin stuff cuz it changes to much so we push the backup across backup network. Would like to hear if those working with Avamar can validate if it requires a lot of drilling down to get details for job, policies etc. One of the things I specifically recall was that Avamar is okay for creating a backup policy but after that getting details is cumbersome. 

Bad things I didn't like about Symantec is the NBU java console and NBU Windows console do not work the same, kinda hard to explain in email just know they are different. They require support logs for EVERY case we open and their FTP site is made by a 12yr old and it shows! Totally suks. Admin console can be Windoze 7/64 with 8G ram recommended or Linux, dunno if that's good or bad.
Good thing I like about NBU is that everything can be done via command line. Their first level support is okay but escalate for someone with in depth knowledge. Response time is very good but as much as we pay them (8 figures)... they should staff someone onsite. The app itself just works and is rock solid, reporting is basic so we went with Aptare that polls Netbackup for details. NBU on Linux runs very good and discovering devices works good once you know where to look, thru put on Linux is huge plus. Windows can't handle near as much load.

Roger Sheldon
Storage Engineer
wk 402.777.7901
cell 402.889.2585

-----Original Message-----
From: olug-bounces at olug.org [mailto:olug-bounces at olug.org] On Behalf Of Craig Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:17 AM
To: Omaha Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [olug] Cost effective enterprise backup

+1 CommVault
I have used CommVault in the past and was REALLY happy with it after going through 4 others.  I would love to go back to CommVault if I can swing the cost.  I also had a fantastic support structure through a VAR for CommVault that solved my issues most every time but we did reach out to CV for assistance a few items and they were very good too!

We use Yosemite where I am now...it is adequate, nothing special. It IS very inexpensive though.

Craig Wolf
(402)990-3010

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Christopher R. White <slaeyer at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think personally they are interchangeable, but my boss found the 
> legal moniker himself, years ago, so we stick with that, lol.  We know 
> all to well that just because its free, does not make it legal to use.  
> I think the legal part helps greatly to alleviate feats.
> On Jan 29, 2013 2:03 AM, "Kevin" <sharpestmarble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought it was Free/Libre Open Source Software. Either one, it 
> > means
> the
> > same thing.
> > On Jan 28, 2013 10:04 PM, "Christopher R. White" <slaeyer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Free & Legal Open Source Software
> > > On Jan 28, 2013 10:02 PM, "Justin Reiners" 
> > > <justin at hotlinesinc.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jeff, Yosemite looks to offer VMWare hot backup, and for 1700
> unlimited
> > > > hosts, very nice.
> > > >
> > > > Christopher - What is floss??
> > > >
> > > > Commvault looks very interesting as well. I have been searching 
> > > > here
> > and
> > > > there the last week, Veeam looked promising, except for the 
> > > > $800/CPU
> > > price
> > > > for VM backup. Acronis is right around $600/CPU. I hate. did I
> mention
> > > > hate. bacula, not sure why. just do.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Christopher R. White <
> > slaeyer at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Did I mention BackupPC is FLOSS??
> > > > > On Jan 28, 2013 9:16 PM, "Christopher R. White" 
> > > > > <slaeyer at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > BackupPC is fairly straightforward.  It backs up all our 
> > > > > > Windows
> &
> > > *nix
> > > > > > boxen.  It has options for bare metal and VM plus 
> > > > > > incremental
> > > backups.
> > > > >  We
> > > > > > have it attached to an iSCSI device for speedy syncs and it
> rsyncs
> > to
> > > > an
> > > > > > off site Nas for backups of the backups.
> > > > > > On Jan 28, 2013 9:07 PM, "Justin Reiners" <
> justin at hotlinesinc.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Currently we are using avamar at cosentry to do backups. If 
> > > > > >> you
> > want
> > > > to
> > > > > >> call it that, we want to fond something a little more user
> > friendly
> > > > and
> > > > > >> cost effective. I have been looking at acronis vmprotect 
> > > > > >> for our
> > > > VMware
> > > > > >> architecture (6 hosts) 50 some VMs. 40 some Linux servers, 
> > > > > >> 5
> > windows
> > > > > >> servers. What is everyone out the in the corporate world using?
> > > >  Avamar
> > > > > >> has
> > > > > >> issues of restoring to the same machine and 1gb during work
> hours.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I plan on backing up to disk. And taking backup copies off
> site. I
> > > > would
> > > > > >> love bare metal for physical machines, something avamar 
> > > > > >> does not
> > > have.
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