[olug] Vista is AMAZING!!!!

[Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T]

Why Vista Bites:
 1) Vendor Lock-in
Everything that is bad about Vista/Office 2007 has to do or can be
explained by OSS nipping at it's heels and M$ flailing like a bezerker
trying to avoid it. But unlike Neo, M$ can smell the inevitability of
what is going to happen.  Ribbon Bars, OOXML, .NOT, marching in lock
step with the RIAA and Hollywood.  I'm sorry, but I don't want
anything to do with a tool/OS vendor that is looking to serve more
than the customers who buy it's software.

There was a time when M$ could have competed and won Best of Breed in
a lot of markets but Exchange and Office are all that is left now.
Now M$ is bleeding talent, both development and managerial, and I
doubt there is much they alone can do to stabilize the situation.
Balmer should have been kicked to the curb 5+ years ago.  He is their
Solich.  He can run the playbook but can't recruit.  Now M$ is falling
back on their lawyers.

Their play book has been and still remains soley based on vendor
lock-in.  That is why Vista bites and M$ will fade to a shadow of it's
former self -- much like IBM.  They aren't going to die they just
won't be the 800lb gorilla any more.

On 7/14/07, Rob Townley <rob.townley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/13/07, Sean Kelly <smkelly at zombie.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm very confused here. You seem to be blaming all of this on Vista. I
> > assume this based on the Subject of your message and the conclusion of
> > your
> > e-mail. However, most of the things you outline are in fact not Vista's
> > fault, but HP/Compaq's.
> >
> > See inline for more.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 09:12:08PM -0700, Aaron Grothe wrote:
> > ...
> > > Dual Core AMD 3800+ CPU
> >
> > Not that there is anything wrong with AMD, but why would you go AMD right
> > now? The Core 2 Duo creams any offering by AMD right now.
> >
> > > 1 Gigabyte of Ram
> >
> > Not a lot, especially for Vista. I even recommend 2GB for OS X.
> >
> > > o - No install discs, not even the classic system image CDs
> >
> > Not Vista's fault that your OEM didn't provide them.
>
>
>
> Actually the last time i talked to TechData there was a substantial ($29.00)
> charge for OEM media. The activation scheme changed by tying the media more
> to the machine. Further, it can only be activated 3x even on the same
> machine without telephoning microsoft.
> .
>
> > o - Pretty straightfoward, except for no parallel printer port or
> > > serial ports
> >
> > There is this crazy thing we have now called USB. The Apple world has
> > embraced it. It is about time for these old x86 interfaces to die off. But
> > again, not Vista's fault that your specific chunk of hardware doesn't have
> > a specific interface port type on it. I'm sure Vista supports them.
> >
> > > o - After cutting my own system image restore discs, which I can only
> > > do ONCE I let Norton activation and the system updates fight it out
> > > for a while
> >
> > Norton activation and system image disks are not Vista. I don't really
> > recommend Norton products to anyone, except maybe the Corporate/Enterprise
> > versions of AV. All the home products have so much overhead that it is
> > insane to run them. Try something like AVG.
>
>
> Again, this has more to do with MS activation than we realize.
>
> > o - With no apps running I'm already up to 780Mb used!!!
> >
> > You're talking about memory? If so, understand that Vista uses memory
> > differently than you may be used to in the Windows world. Just like in the
> > Unix world, Vista now uses all of your memory for caching and
> > optimization.
> > What you see as used and what are actually active application pages may be
> >
> > very different.
>
>
>  RAM set aside for Internet Explorer, ms office, & the .NET Framework to
> startup faster.
>
>
> > o - I fire up Internet explorer to discover that Compaq has sold my
> > > toolbar space to Yahoo and anybody else who will pay for it
> >
> > And you seem to acknowledge that it is Compaq at work here, and not Vista.
> >
> > > o - With the raw amount of adware/spyware/bloatware on this machine.
> > > I'm surprised they aren't able to give it away for free
> >
> > They can't give it away for free, but it is partly how the OEM has lower
> > costs to the end user.
> >
> > > o - I decide to uninstall some of the software such as AOL and the
> > > like.  Guess what they're not in the program listing.  Ha! Ha! Ha!
> > > You can delete the Icon, but the love is always going to be there.
> > > Unless you use msiinv to work get real access to the underlying
> > > packages if they actually used a package
> >
> > Not Vista.
>
>
> Since businesses make less of a profit margin on Vista even though it costs
> more, microsoft could be indirectly responsible.
>
> > o - If you're like me and I know I am.
> >
> > I never had any question that you were, indeed, like you. If you weren't
> > like you, then there would be a serious logic problem on our hands.
> >
> > > You probably have an html file you have on your desktop with links you
> > > hit frequently.  Well know you're going to go to allow/deny every time
> > > you hit one, because they are in different zones
> >
> > Yes, IE is not my favorite either. Install Firefox.
> > Also, I use del.icio.us for bookmarks. http://del.icio.us/smkelly
> >
> > > o - When Vista is the only Microsoft Windows Option for OEMs you will
> > > begin to see an adoption of Linux that is higher than ever
> >
> > Maybe, but I have some problem believing that. The world isn't going to
> > drop Windows over night in favor of Linux. If anything, you'll see
> > Microsoft extend the availability of XP to OEMs if they saw that as a
> > threat.
> >
> > > o - Vista is the single largest step back I've ever seen Microsoft
> > > take, largely because you have no choice.  ME was a choice, this
> > > really isn't
> >
> > I don't follow. All Microsoft operating systems have a end of life. There
> > was adoption of Windows 98, 2000, XP and now Vista by the OEMs as
> > Microsoft
> > pushed them. Further, Miccrosoft ends support for operating systems.
> >
> > > o - If this is Premium I shudder to think what the poor bastards who
> > > got Vista basic are going through
> >
> > Well, since a good chunk of your complaints were about the way the OEM
> > setup the hardware, I'd imagine very similar things.
> >
> > > o - If you have to dual boot, hang onto Windows XP for as long as you
> > > can.
> >
> >
> > http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first
> >
> > --