Jon thechunk at home.com
Fri Aug 24 11:15:50 UTC 2001

I did at the tech support level.  The tech was very understanding.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 01:40:10PM -0500, David Walker wrote:
> If you want to read about what can happen when machines are allowed to
> become zombies read 
> http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm
> Insecure machines are a danger to the internet.  Undernet and other chat
> networks were the victims of massive DDOS attacks that convinced many of
> those hosting chat servers that it wasn't worth the trouble.  Undernet
> lost many servers that way.  DOS attacks took down a series of high
> profile sites (yahoo, amazon, etc.  see
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2434548,00.html)
> Running a web or mail server is not a danger to society but running a
> machine with gaping security holes (ie nearly all windows machines) is. 
> Since we can't easily rewrite or patch the problems our only other
> recourse is to block them.
> It looks like we all like the "opt out" plan.  Who's gonna go tell @home
> that that's what we want?
> On Thursday 23 August 2001 13:10, you wrote:
> > Port blocking should be up to me and my OS/firewall.  I could easily
> > agree to the compromise suggested about blocking by default and enabling
> > when requested or any other compromise that allowed me to "opt out" of
> > being protected from myself.
> >
> > Your assertion about the freedom to drive doesn't hold water.  Driving a
> > motor vehicle in the state of Nebraska is a privilege that you receive
> > when you agree to the terms of the license.   Also, there is a gigantic
> > leap between the life of a child and running a home website/mail server.
> >  Anyone who endangers the life of a child is a threat to society, the
> > same can not be said about some one with a web server.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Walker [mailto:linux_user at grax.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:23 PM
> > To: olug at bstc.net
> > Subject: Re: @home
> > ...portions deleted....
> > I hardly see how blocking a few ports is an impediment to you.  You
> > signed up for access to the internet not for the internet to be able to
> > access you.
> >
> > While I agree with the quote from Ben Franklin I am still willing to
> > give up the freedom to drive 85 in a residential zone in exchange for
> > the security of the pedestrians and children, etc.

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