[olug-colo] Cogent Pricing for 11111M

Charles.Bird charles.bird at powerdnn.com
Fri Aug 7 17:24:15 EDT 2009

I also have had cox business, it wasnt bad for a few servers, but beyond
that, traffic spikes will kill service availability of all customers. You
can get plenty of IPs through them, but once you get to a certain point one
may as well have the fat pipe from someone with included block of ips(or
cheaper block from carrier).

My visualization is that a higher burst rate is more attractive to potential
clients/partners, is more reliable, more scalable. Unless someone has a good
hookup with cox in getting a cable modem's bandwidth allocation more
symetrical, they arent going to provide a custom setup such as that. i've
talked to them about it in the past and they claim its not possible. I know
that some entities in town have gotten higher upload, but they are usually
huge accounts for cox, and its worth their time to make the custom

Soon, most nerds in Omaha can get a cox premier acct and have some good
bandwidth, right now its not bad, and will be better within 6 months. I
would like to stay ahead of the curve so that its really a practical choice
to colo with us.
Its not going to be easy, but I can see that we can have our cake and eat it
too as long as we all start making cake :)

I wouldnt be opposed to getting a Cox cable modem for the first 3 months
while we build out our network, then turn up some fiber. It is logical and a
big money saver. We will be working out some issues at first and we may as
well be running at minimums for that time until we get some OK hvac, and OK
power redundancy.

Also, FYI I can most likley get a customer thats good for 1500 per month and
would possibly scale to double within 4-6 months.
I'll check to see what their time frame is like.
We can do this right without emptying our pockets over and over. The
operation will be expensive, but will become less of a concern very quickly

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:54 PM, <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem with Cox business isn't the download speed.  The problem is the
> Upload speed.  I would have no problem with a Cox modem if we could get at
> least 10meg up, or symmetrical speeds.  Trying to run even a small
> datacenter on 2meg means 24/7 link saturation and absolutely no room for
> expandability.
> Dan
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Linder <dan at linder.org>
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:41:52
> To: Olug Community colo project<olug-colo at olug.org>
> Subject: Re: [olug-colo] Cogent Pricing for 11111M
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:17, Abraham Serafino<abrahams at teknohazard.com>
> wrote:
> > I may be revealing my ignorance, but that sounds like an awful lot of
> money?
> Disclaimer: All of my knowledge of the Olug CoLo is through the public
> e-mail/discussions.  I haven't attended any of the meetings, nor had
> any private e-mails with anyone else.
> Abraham: In the industry, the pricing is about par for what they are
> offering.  Most companies have a large enough cash flow or
> deep-pocketed investors that they can jump right in to this level of
> financial commitment.  For you and I personally, this is a lot of
> money for a fat pipe to the Internet.
> Everyone: I think early on the idea of using the "Cox Business"
> solution was passed around but shot down.  Since they will put their
> business cable-modem in anywhere they have coverage and the monthly
> costs are a fraction of the "big guys", is this such a bad option?
> Sure, the perception might be a bit low to some, but I had a Business
> account with them for about 2 years and it was some of the best
> service I ever had.  (I switched when I stopped hosting my own e-mail
> server so the home version works just as well.)
> Even the most expensive Cox Business Internet (not Fiber or Metro) --
> 15.0 Mbps down x 2.0 Mbps up -- is only $275/month.  Granted, that's
> not the "100 Mbps", but it's faster than the "10 Mbps" quoted for
> $1800/month.  And I'd think that we could approach their sales team
> and ask for a 10Mbpsx10Mbps link pricing - their speed caps are mostly
> in the software from what I understand.
> Why not start "small" and when customers start asking about higher
> bandwidth, the investigation of an additional link through
> Sprint/QWest/Verizon/AT&T/etc can be investigated at that time.  Plus,
> if we have a proven business track record, they might be more willing
> to work with us on pricing.
> Just my $0.02 worth...
> Dan
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